Fiat Dino for Sale 375,000 USD

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Fiat Dino for Sale 375,000 USD

Post by iceblue »

Hey Guys
I just noticed that there is a great looking Dino 2.4 for sale in the UK for 250,000 Sterling or 375,000 USD

To some of us it might look like its too much money!
Then again, the Ferrari DIno's are fetching between 300-650K

I am so glad to see our beloved car finally getting recognition.
http://www.bourneandthomas.com/fiat-din ... pider.html
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Re: Fiat Dino for Sale 375,000 USD

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Asking price! That's about the double price oh the highest price achieved in an auction. I also know that 2400 Spiders are still sold with a 5-digit figure.
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And to me recognition has very little to do with money. Recognition and passion is in between the ears of the enthusiast.
I would rather see them changing hands for a quarter the price to some devoted average guy around the corner that really appreciates it than to some 'investor' trying to double it's investment as soon as possible.
Hope prices will drop as fast as they have been rising to make it accessible to the real enthusiasts again. I don't care what i will get for my car when i sell it because i will keep driving it anyway.
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Post by Argonaut »

I do not really know where this will end. Also a Ferrari Dino is overpriced in my opinion especially as they were build more than 10 times more often than 2.4 Dino Spiders.

So... what is the real value for these beautiful cars?

I am just in the middle of a restauration of a 2 litre Spider; my 2.4 will follow in 2-3 years. What I can see is that a restauration costs easily 30-50 K (dollar or Euro). Only then the car is in a 2+ state or even better.
What we all could observe since ages is that most cars are in a terrible state due to the fact that it was not worth for a long time to invest a reasonable amount of money and time. A real good 2.0 sample in my humble opinion should cost 100 K and coming from this figure you can determine how much e.g. a 3-rated sample should cost (e.g. 50-60 K). The problem right now is that many offered samples are make-uped as they were not well taken care off the past 40-50 years. And of course dealers want to make some fast money (but also some long-time owners try to make big profit on bad samples all of a sudden... I can tell you about my 2.4 nice stories).

So... a 2.4 Spider is even rarer than the 2.0 ones... so... how much can they really cost then? Forget about the dealers for a moment and just taking enthusiasts into focus... if you have a 1000 of them desperately wanting to have such a car and let's assume 300 2.4 Spiders are still available... then the price will make its own path all the way up. What to do?

I talked to a Munich specialist on Ferraris today and he told me that in the late 70ies he did have 15 Ferraris he could not sell for 10-15 K... all of them in a very reasonable state; there were cars amongst them which you could not get under 5 or 10 Million Dollars today. And for sure in here you have more collectors and enthusiasts than dealers.

Of course... if we are runnning into an economic crisis the next years many owners might need money and try to sell... and then the market comes down again... and once it starts moving then prices corrode fast. But... otherwise... we are having more ans more rich people on this planet with more and more people anyway and only a very limited amount of those cars... let's see.

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As enthusiasts are already having their desired cars or are less able to pay the asked prices I am quite sure that there are more and more cars being handed over from dealer to dealer. The number of sold cars to real entusiasts will decrease and when its getting more difficult to find buyers paying extraordinary high prices prices will decrease.

But I agree that a Dino for 40/50kEuro is too cheap to be in nearly perfect condition - whether its a spider or a coupé.

As the Fiats still are Fiats and the Ferraris are such there will be a differentiation between the two of them.

The Dino 246 has a bit a role as an icon and cann still climb in price, but the air gets thinner and only absolute top cars will get there - as we have seen on the Techno Classica in Essen.

Hopefully the discussion will get more into the direction of the car and the design and technicque.
I don´t own/drive a Dino because of the worth and I do not want to talk to other Dino owners only about prices - I want to drive together, also work together on these beautiful cars and enjoy them for what they have been build - driving and admiring.

Prices only matter when you will sell or when you haven´t bought in time.

Unfortunately prices for spare parts will rise as well with the price of the cars, as we also have seen in Essen.
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Firstly I hate people who are only in it for the money!

It is the passion for the car, which to me means the life of Alfre"dino", and how his Father created the make "Dino" to honour his son (and also to have a slightly cheaper car to compete with Porsches & Co.)
Next to that there is the briliant engineering aspect, the engine noise and the design of the cars.
On a personal note, my favourite model by far is the Giugiaro designed Coupé. It has the racy look you also find on other models that were designed by the Master, like the Ferrari 250 GT SWB, the Iso Grifo, the Alfa 2600 Sprint, the initial sketches of the Miura (I disagree with Gandini's claim of him being the Father of the Miura), the DeLorean, De Tomaso Mangusta, etc. etc.
Although the majority of people prefer the 2 Pinin Farina Dino models, I carry on with my Coupés and hopefully can convince people about the beauty of these cars. (And yes, I will do several subtle changes in order to enhance the design and honour this great artist Giorgetto Giugiaro.) (Italdesign)
La passione per tutti creazone!
Alfre"dino", che significa tanto a suo padre Enzo!
Poi ha lanciato suo padre Enzo, il marchio "Dino".

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Post by Benz 116 w »

Hello,

I was glad to read Hagerty's appreciation report about the Spider landing on first, the Coupe on second places. It is not the money however that I gained by these news that interests me most (as I am not selling now or ever), but the punch which show the negative citics from the past, how a Fiat of '60-'70 era can match anything else if it's got style and spice. Most of those enthusiasts who were really into these cars have already purchased theirs, now can sit back and enjoy. On Mobile.de and Autoscout24, only a few cars seem to belong to traders (of the 17 maybe 3-4), thus I cannot see where the financial investors would get their stock in the future. Anyone selling theirs for a profit is not a real fan, so I am not sorry for that guy left without a car....
Truth is that I am in the middle of an overhaul - with professional help because I am a poor mechanic - and it will cost 17.000.-EUR with the car being in a passable original condition. Thus 40-50K is realistic for a Coupe in state 2-3, but 300K for a 2.4 Spider is still too high....
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I totally agree with Benz 116 w.

As I am a qualified automobile engineer, I would love to help anyone with technical questions. On top of that, people say that I have a fairly good taste for design and next to that my Dino story differs quite a bit of what people say about it. Enzo Ferrari always created a make called Dino in memory and respect of his son Alfre"dino" (= little Alfred!).
Virtually all experts say that the original Dino engines (V8 and V6) were the work of the Ferrari engineer Vittorio Jano. Well that is rather strange, because when Jano left the Lancia competition department to join Ferrari (remember, Enzo bought the whole Lancia racing department in 1954!) the development of the now called V8 Lancia- Ferrari D50 was halted. For 1956 the car improved enormously and subsequently Juan Manuel Fangio became world champion with the improved D50 that was by now called Ferrari D50. Isn't it funny that it was Alfredino who influenced his Father and Jano to develop the 65 degree angle for the V8 and V6 engines just before he died, which was in fact just before the 1956 season. We all know that Alfre"dino" never saw this creation which was inspired by him. Also strange is the fact that nobody in this world was present when the 3 men were discussing all sorts of innovative engineering solutions. Please do not forget that Alfredo has been credited to the design of famous cars like the 550. And one should not forget that Alfredo was sent to Switserland in order to follow an engineering education. So where does that leave us? Dino not being capable of coming up with very clever designs? I don't buy that!
And for me, the Dino coupé should never have been called a F.I.A.T. Dino!!! As the majority of you know, Enzo wanted to have the V6 Dino engine homologated for competition purposes and therefore called upon the help of the Agnelli's. And exactly in that period Fiat bought a substantial part of Ferrari, which was in that time in financial trouble. Of course a dream occasion for Fiat to once more have a go at the higher automobile segment. Well, untill today, Fiat failed. (Look at the beautifull 130 and 130 Coupé being commercial failures!)
La passione per tutti creazone!
Alfre"dino", che significa tanto a suo padre Enzo!
Poi ha lanciato suo padre Enzo, il marchio "Dino".

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